10/20/2026
You’ve heard of fight, flight, and freeze. But what about fawn, find, and fold?
I sit down with therapist, professor, and author Chuck DeGroat to talk about his new book, Who You’re Becoming: The Slow and Courageous Work of Cultivating Character in a Narcissistic Age.
Chuck describes two places our nervous system goes when we’re dysregulated: storm and fog.
Storm is the gas pedal. Fog is the brake. And fold might be the one you recognize on the mornings you just can’t get out of bed.
We also talk about why real change can’t be microwaved, what Jesus may have actually meant by “be perfect,” and the hospital stay that taught a trained therapist to finally listen to his own gut.
Listen to Episode 362 of Sparking Wholeness wherever you get your podcasts. 🎧 (It’s also now available on YouTube!)
Chuck’s book releases today, and it’s such an incredible read. You want this in your library ASAP!